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newtonianlaws t1_iu8kxc9 wrote

Stop forcing teachers to inflate grades, test kids to figure out where they are (grade level, skill-based, can you do this…), set up multiple tiers of classes for each subject so kids get instruction within their zone of proximal development and scaffolding, then let teachers do what most of us love to do and teach kids at the kids’ level. We have an entire grade of seniors graduating this year who, mostly, have middle-school level abilities. Lots of conversations going on right now BY THE STUDENTS about the value of trade schools.

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Mentalskllnss t1_iu93mh0 wrote

I 1 million percent agree with this. I am seeing teachers struggling to teach middle school classes with kids that have a lot of behavior problems (but no academic supports needed - at least not yet) and also make sure they can focus on the students that are available to learn.

I not only feel bad for the kids, but I feel really bad for the teachers. It is causing major burn out for teachers and staff members in general

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mikemikemikeandike t1_iu9sz58 wrote

Good luck finding enough staff to handle multiple tiers of classes for each subject. Also, I call BS on these seniors having “mostly” middle-school level abilities.

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Kel4597 t1_iuaxt42 wrote

Anecdotal obviously, but I work at a university and the writing ability of these kids is absolutely shocking. It’s hard to believe until you actually see it yourself.

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KravMata t1_iu9duz9 wrote

You write this like you’re a teacher but say things that make no sense.

1 - If the kids are graduating with middle school level abilities that’s not anything to do with COVID. I have a senior graduating this year, they were not out for 3 years, and they didn’t stop learning for the year they were out of school. I especially call BS on the assertion of ‘mostly.’ FWIW my kid got a 1430 on her SAT and has a 100 in AP Calc.

2 - The kids are tested, under state and federal law, to ascertain their progress, and then are placed in classes according to their ability. Common core and all of that…having to teach to the tests is what teachers used to complain about. The article is largely about the results of this standardized testing FFS. The article is entirely about lower grades, not HS, and there are quotes explain8ng what teachers and admins are doing.

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e90tings t1_iu9t17e wrote

jesus calm down toting your kids mediocre SAT score.

the claim was that middle school courses are hard to teach, specifically meaning kids far younger than high school age, who haven't picked up the critical skills high schoolers have been taught.

also loling that you think a cmt impacts what courses your kid gets placed in...

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yudkib t1_iud2ode wrote

If your kid is at Choate and got a 1430 he would make a great line cook. If he’s at Waterbury he’ll probably work for NASA. You’re using these metrics as an indication of… something… to prove some sort of point (probably), but it lacks any specificity for anyone to know if it’s actually good or bad.

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happyjammy123 t1_iu776sp wrote

Well we are just gonna have to work extra hard next year, I'd rather have a bunch of dumbasses making up the school year than to have them in body bags

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gewehr44 t1_iu94n8e wrote

Kids were never at risk of dying. 80% of deaths were people over 65.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/what-share-of-people-who-have-died-of-covid-19-are-65-and-older-and-how-does-it-vary-by-state/

You don't get learning time back. A child's brain plasticity only lasts so long.

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KravMata t1_iu9cqkz wrote

Kids don’t live on their owns and they are excellent little plague bearers. Also, teachers, admins, etc, are older and many at risk. You sound like you’re pushing a political agenda baseless in facts and reality. We didn’t know anything in the beginning, and we didn’t have a vax until 19 months in, at the end of 2021.

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BottomDweller2 t1_iu93dnh wrote

I get downvoted but it’s the truth. Amazing how you dumb libs can’t deal with actual facts.

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BottomDweller2 t1_iu8ol4l wrote

So dumb. The percentage of kids dying from Covid was virtually zero. That’s indisputable.

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Downtown_Feedback665 t1_iu8xdcw wrote

You understand virtually any kid who was in school at all during Covid is miles behind in development compared to everyone else.

We’ll have an entire generation of kids who weren’t held accountable for grades, while half of them starved because their only source of food was at school.

Kids went back to school and they started squaring up to teachers, not take any finals, not allowed to fail or get any grades. We’ve created a 20 year gap of what will be an uncompetitive, unsocialized workforce.

Kids were BY FAR the worst affected by the pandemic. Doesn’t matter how deadly it was. A 60 y.o. who catches the virus and then is fine 2 weeks later is in a significantly better position than the millions of kids who missed years of school/ discipline because of inept policy makers

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jose_luiz_ t1_iu7o0eh wrote

Kids were the least affected individuals from COVID.

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AdHistorical7107 t1_iu86lx8 wrote

We didn't know the effects until the end of 2020, early 2021. We didn't even have a vaccine for most until end of 2021....

Did you forget this was a fairly new disease? Or did all those memes about unmasking our kids change your opinion?

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gewehr44 t1_iu9596t wrote

We knew in February of 2020 as statistics came out of Spain & Italy that it was primarily affecting the elderly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-hits-seniors-the-hardest-italys-elderly-population-is-on-the-front-line/2020/02/25/bea0a278-5751-11ea-8efd-0f904bdd8057_story.html

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AdHistorical7107 t1_iu99pzf wrote

And we kept learning more too, even up to now....

Look, I know it's the republican way to outweigh children's safety for their own benefit (i.e - them choosing guns over mass murders of kids, making kids go maskless and subjecting them to a disease which may kill them, etc). But it's really kinda BS now......

The world was faced with a new disease that shut down everything. Now, what GOP can do, is fund schools for educational purposes, but given what I see in Fairfield County, they have no desire too.

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gewehr44 t1_iuavmd4 wrote

Kids were never at risk. Something like 60% of kids never showed symptoms after contracting it (as opposed to 35-40% overall). As a respiratory virus, everyone was going to be exposed eventually. Numbers out of the UK earlier in the year showed well over 90% of those under 18 with antibodies.

CT laws prohibits any school districts funding to be less than the previous year. If you actually look at school funding, the annual increases in spending far exceed the inflation rate by about 3x over the last 50 years. Any failures in school improvements aren't due to lack of funds. Go look at the towns in Fairfield county that are majority R, you'll see high spending per student.

If you want fewer children to die you could simply ban all motor vehicles. About 600 kids under 13 die in motor vehicle accidents compared to less than 50 firearm murders of all types.

Also... Not a republican.

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AdHistorical7107 t1_iudr6qg wrote

If it wasup to me, banning of guns. Thats the #1killer of kids.....

But seriously, this disease mutates. Who knows what it can turn into.....

I'll take playing on the safe side any day.....

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gewehr44 t1_iue1ujq wrote

All viruses mutate, as we know from the 1919 flu. Right now there are a lot more RSV cases sending kids to hospitals because they were kept isolated. Unless you're going to go hide in the wilderness there's no getting away from respiratory infections.

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AdHistorical7107 t1_iue3pdc wrote

I dont know. After the last 6 years, and with all these commercials, maybe hiding in the woods isn't a bad idea....

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gewehr44 t1_iuf8zf9 wrote

Everyone should be free to live as they wish. I'm just opposed to forcing people using state power.

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Wi11Pow3r t1_iu8s0gv wrote

Physically maybe. But not socially/mentally. Anyone who works with kids regularly will tell you that that almost everyone is trending less mature and competent than was usual for the same age 3 years ago.

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zdipi t1_iu82a5u wrote

Them being the least affected does not mean they weren’t affected.

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TCPottery t1_iu6yhy7 wrote

Oh cheese and rice, how many times are you going to post articles professing gloom and doom, fear mongering, and worse? Of course, all kids had challenges overcoming the pandemic era loss of normality?

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Early-Emphasis-2417 t1_iu8jmju wrote

Did you read the article? Other than blaming New Haven for a slow return to in person learning, there were a lot of counterpoints to the gloom and doom.

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bmeezy1 t1_iu8ji57 wrote

As a parent of 2 middle schoolers (with good grades at the time prior to Covid) the decline is fact. Remote was shit for most younger kids

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Sneaky-er t1_iu7cenk wrote

Did Harvard double check the math on those stats?

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HeyFrogMan t1_iu7nyap wrote

Exactly, this is Massachussets propaganda. I want to see what Yale has to say about this. /s

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Aviendha00 t1_iu9fzie wrote

I think the study has a big flaw (and others like it) in that they give the impression that all the problems are due to remote learning in those two years.

1)Teacher burnout is real

  1. Loss of income, severely sick family members and death during the pandemic are all problems that have affected the stress levels in kids which directly effects their learning abilities.

Aside from this, it’s not just about the kids being ok, many had old or vulnerable family members which would have definitely been put in harms way.

And also the teachers. Teacher burnout is real, pmuch of the country has real problems retaining teachers. Imagine telling them they have to come to work and either they or their family members would have passed aways or ended severely sick or with long covid.

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blade-runner9 t1_iu9pvf7 wrote

Teachers are told don’t give any failing grades. Just push them through the system.

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wakinupdrunk t1_iu8z78s wrote

I like that the studies show the steeper losses, but doesn’t compare scores themselves. Are we still at higher scores than other places, despite these losses?

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keriiiiii t1_iu95cxs wrote

sorry guys i'll work harder

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Chaos_Ice t1_iu7np48 wrote

This is definitely true. They’re given “A’s” for everything and yet can’t put the work on paper. My friend’s daughter is in middle school and they allow her to use a calculator on homework and tests, but if you ask her to solve it on paper she doesn’t know shit.

Edit: Downvoted for telling the truth. Most of these kids barely know the basics. All these chromebooks and calculators. They don’t know how to do shit otherwise.

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Invest-24_7_356 t1_iu8dsl1 wrote

They have been doing this for awhile. Expectations have been reduced. Easier to control the uneducated. Sad times.

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Best_Ad340 t1_iu98g0p wrote

Sure, I used a calculator on my homework but now thanks to leveraging technology, I can program multi-axis machine tools with complex 3-dimensional toolpaths and turn a hunk of titanium into almost any shape imaginable; all while keeping every surface within 0.0003" of it's theoretical dimensions.

I agree, school is fucked but STOP blaming technology ya boomer.

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Nottheone1101 t1_iu8upev wrote

Bias study. Results would be positive if conducted by Yale.

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Usedtoknowsomeone46 t1_iu7grjq wrote

Pandemic, tiktok, republican anti-intellectualism. Lots of factors and it'd going to get worse.

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DaleDimmaDone t1_iu7loip wrote

also, focus in areas that don't matter. the local high school built a brand new, state of the art school but cut a lot of funding for education and arts.

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Keith4Change t1_iu7mh8x wrote

TikTok? Come on lol 🙄

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Usedtoknowsomeone46 t1_iu7msd7 wrote

Tiktok is the number one source of misinformation and pseudoscience, and where most of Gen Z gets their information. And thats not even mentioning the damage it does to attention spans. So yes, It is a problem.

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Keith4Change t1_iu7munb wrote

I get that Americans love to blame China for all our problems, but this isn’t one of them lol

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Usedtoknowsomeone46 t1_iu7nnm7 wrote

Strawman. It doesn't matter who made the app.

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Keith4Change t1_iu7nsb9 wrote

Guarantee you’d have no beef with it, nor would it be so demonized, if China hadn’t made it.

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Usedtoknowsomeone46 t1_iu7o0zg wrote

False. The fact that China made it was not a factor.

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Keith4Change t1_iu7o26m wrote

Keep denying the truth.

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Usedtoknowsomeone46 t1_iu7o4qr wrote

The truth that you're saying I believe something I don't? I'm pretty sure I know what I believe lol.

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Keith4Change t1_iu7o8ko wrote

I’m pretty sure you don’t, because Gen Z doesn’t go to TikTok for political analysis 😂

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Usedtoknowsomeone46 t1_iu7oksp wrote

False

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/16/technology/gen-z-tiktok-search-engine.html

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Keith4Change t1_iu7om3u wrote

The NY Times 😂😂😂 you might as well be citing a garbage can.

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Usedtoknowsomeone46 t1_iu7oofp wrote

Oh you're one of those lol. Take care man. Have fun in r/conspiracy lol.

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Keith4Change t1_iu7oyes wrote

Oh you’re one of those who gobbles up everything a newspaper tells you because famous people told you to 😂 instead of seeing what Gen Z is actually doing. I guarantee The NY Times has no clue about that. If you knew the kinds of people who work there then you’d know they’re amazingly out of touch.

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Takeurvitamins t1_iu8jo15 wrote

Hey, I’m a teacher, kids ask me all the time “is this true? I saw it on TikTok” The ones that don’t ask are the ones that spend even more time on it. It’s seriously a problem. And I don’t care where it came from. Insta was the problem before that, vine before that. Snapchat ain’t great either.

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IndicationOver t1_iu92tvd wrote

Yea its weird this person is denying TikTok influence with Gen Z

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Its not a secret lol

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GoPikachuGo1 t1_iu7mvcp wrote

There should be cameras in every classroom. We need transparency and accountability. There's no excuse for Teachers underperforming.

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LazyUpvote88 t1_iu7npgj wrote

Cameras in every classroom? Dear god. Fuck off with your surveillance society bullshit. Go get microchipped for Big Brother.

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FatherofZeus t1_iu7qyss wrote

Bruh, there’s plenty of places for your to wank off to your voyeur fantasies without having to watch a classroom

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No_Arm_931 t1_iu8qtly wrote

Lol what? Have you been inside a classroom since you were in school?

I work in schools. Teachers are doing their DAMNDEST to take care of these kids and get them up to speed. Teachers need the resources necessary to help these kids. More paras, more folks trained in helping students with behavioral issues, smaller class sizes, quality supplies, etc.etc.

So much more goes into educating than simply lecturing from a book. Stay in your lane.

Edit: said “smaller classrooms”, meant smaller class sizes.

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GoPikachuGo1 t1_iu8qysm wrote

All I see are teachers on their cell phones, crying "is it summer yet" and teaching absolutely irrelevant subjects to kids.

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No_Arm_931 t1_iu8rap4 wrote

Genuinely curious- How often are you inside of a school? Are you a student? Do you work in a school?

What subjects are you referring to that you believe are irrelevant? Can you specify?

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GoPikachuGo1 t1_iu8s3p9 wrote

I was a custodian for a year until, due to the school's negligence, I was injured on the job. Fortunately I am now able to collect disability checks, which helps. I get to travel and work full time on my novel now but I digress.

Teachers appeared very lazy to me. Always on their phones, like I said always complaining, their union makes it impossible to fire them so they just clearly don't care about the job. Cameras would increase transparency and accountability. This is necessary.

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No_Arm_931 t1_iu8siqj wrote

Very sorry to hear about your injury, I’m glad you’re able to collect disability.

My experience in schools is clearly very different. I have not witnessed the same issue with teachers being on their phones and not caring.

How would cameras help? Who’s going to review the footage? How would this be paid for? How would an administrator know if a teacher was using their phone for personal reasons instead of school-related matters?

If anything, this money should go to extra supports for students. More school social workers. It’s difficult for a kid to learn when they’re navigating other issues that don’t get addressed due to of a lack of funding for such positions.

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LazyUpvote88 t1_iud63sj wrote

That’s all you want to see. You hate education because when people are educated they are more likely to see through the lies of the Republican Party.

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Rude_Technician655 t1_iu70m7c wrote

Maybe we’re worried about teaching other useless things in class when we could be using that time on science and math.

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volanger t1_iu74my8 wrote

Sure I'll bite for a bit. What pray tell do you think we're teaching instead of math and science?

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TCPottery t1_iu76pn9 wrote

If you are an educator, THANK YOU!

If you aren't, thank you for standing up for educators and for our kids.

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