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KJK998 t1_iu0m8lz wrote
Reply to comment by mkt853 in Connecticut's Candidates for Congress Weigh in on Continued Aid for Ukraine by jr_reddit
Am I pro Russian if I don’t support sending billions of tax payer revenue to a country that will never return the favor?
johnsonutah t1_iu196rn wrote
Really we are sending them weapons that are bound to be replaced regardless of whether we use them or not. It’s also a stimulus package for US manufacturers of weapons systems and their employees (most of which if not all are made here in the USA). So it’s a little more nuanced, but I get your concern at the same time
KJK998 t1_iu1wnl6 wrote
That’s absolutely not true that we are sending them obsolete stuff. We are actively struggling to replace the Javelin missiles we gave them. They have very sophisticated electronics that are not easy to get at the moment.
johnsonutah t1_iu22joi wrote
I didn’t say for that to sound like the equipment and weapons we send is obsolete. Rather, the stuff we send would eventually have to get replaced if we never used it. The stuff we send getting used up there results in demand for it, and it’s all produced here in the US. It’s basically a stimulus package for US manufacturing
gohabssaydre t1_iu20h0x wrote
That’s a fair point and it gives me pause. But every time a Russian dies an angel gets its wings so I’ll sleep ok tonight
[deleted] t1_iu1ua7e wrote
They’re returning the favor 100 fold right now. They’ve exposed Russia as have a complete dog shit military comprised of rusted guns, tanks stripped of circuit boards, and zero NCO corp. Ukraine is making it so Russia is no longer a viable country moving forward. They can’t possibly survive this war intact as a single country, and will probably break up in 5 years or less. All thanks to Ukraine and several billion dollars invested by evil sleepy Joe.
mkt853 t1_iu0naxj wrote
Not at all, but what I would say in response is this is a bargain to keep Russia at bay because you'll cry if you ever see what it would cost us if Russia or its little toady Belarus decides to pop off at Poland, the Baltics, or one of their s*itty missiles misses Odesa and hits Romania instead. If Article 5 gets invoked in Europe it'll make whatever we spent in Afghanistan and Iraq look like the deal of the century.
KJK998 t1_iu0v3wa wrote
After seeing the capabilities of their communist equipment from the 70’s and the incompetence of their generals/president, I’m less worried about them invading countries for influence.
Old_Size9060 t1_iu144w4 wrote
It’s wrong to assess the Russian failures in Ukraine as “incompetence” - Ukraine may be David, but they are David armed with the world’s most advanced weaponry and it outclasses anything that Russia - with a GDP smaller than Spains - could ever put out barring an actual nuclear exchange.
Down_vote_david t1_iu0z5gd wrote
> this is a bargain to keep Russia at bay
If anything, it shows that they have not been a military threat for a long time. If they can't beat the poorest and most corrupt European country, why would we EVER have to worry about them? I feel bad for what is happening to Ukraine, but we have lots of issues at home. The EU should be exponentially increasing their military's spending to protect their own countries and interests instead of the US propping up the MIC after we left Afghanistan earlier this year...
mkt853 t1_iu10wfn wrote
Let me guess... you're one of those isolationist wingers that think we get no tangible benefits from being the global superpower?
Old_Size9060 t1_iu148sz wrote
It’s wrong to assess the Russian failures in Ukraine as “incompetence” - Ukraine may be David, but they are David armed with the world’s most advanced weaponry and it outclasses anything that Russia - with a GDP smaller than Spains - could ever put out barring an actual nuclear exchange.
Down_vote_david t1_iu2q9u1 wrote
Did I ever state it was due to incompetence? You sound like a bot pushing the military industrial complex and war with Russia. Like I said, if UKraine can effectively beat Russia with our supplies, Russia is not a real military threat. If they want to reverse to nukes, the world is done for, regardless.
Old_Size9060 t1_iu3r19u wrote
“If they can’t beat the poorest and most corrupt…” c’mon dude🙄🤣. I’m anti-Putin and have been for twenty years, but let’s stay grounded in facts - that’s what I’m suggesting.
Down_vote_david t1_iu512y3 wrote
Stop spreading misinformation, it’s a well known fact and if you weren’t aware, you should do a 5 second google search before spouting nonsense:
https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/04/welcome-to-the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-ukraine
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/6/15/how-problematic-is-corruption-in-ukraine
Let me know if you need more citations 🤡
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Old_Size9060 t1_iu58108 wrote
Dear Clown (given that this is how you signed off), perhaps you are unaware that your post is a non sequitur. It does not follow. Essentially, your words : “if they can’t beat the poorest and most corrupt European country” suggests that Ukraine is defeating Russia sans billions of dollars worth of military aid from several of the world’s most advanced militaries. This is - obviously - what I was talking about. Your links about corruption are just a smokescreen.🙄🤣
Equal_Pumpkin8808 t1_iu3ucnp wrote
You'll be pleased to know that it's being sent under a lend-lease program then.
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