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Nyrfan2017 t1_isbqjgv wrote

Reply to comment by Athrynne in Connecticut to decide on early voting in November referendum by jr_reddit

Voting goes from 6am -8 pm how many people working that time frame that can’t get to vote?

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Athrynne t1_isbrdk6 wrote

People that work multiple jobs, have kids, etc.

Early voting doesn't affect me at all, but I see no reason why we shouldn't have it. Do you have an argument against it?

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Nyrfan2017 t1_isc25pf wrote

Yes cause of fraud .. I know I know that’s a trump thing your gonna say….. I have seen things at a city level that comes down to a lot of incompetencey . But I think will cause huge issues .. like every yeah always seem to hear of an issue we’re oops one poll station had the wrong ballets or ran out of ballots. Also now with early voting there are more times of handling ballots where they can get lost one year the person checking ID they never crossed my name off . I know of an issue where absentees ballots where miss placed.. also I feel with more days there is more chance of if people want to mess around they can . Before trump year after year state or federal level you hear of some issue with the polls . I just feel in general we need to revamp the system . And I don’t think just doing early voting will help

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Athrynne t1_isc48vs wrote

I think the counterargument to that is to look at all the states that have enacted early voting. It's quite a lot of them, and they mostly did it before it became an issue colored by people's opinions about Trump. There was very little voter fraud going on. There still is very little voter fraud going on. Sure, there's the occasional mistake like you said, but that's why we have audits and recounts when it's close.

There's also the other option of doing what Oregon does, which is universal mail in balloting. That works great for them, and I think is probably even less prone to fraud and mistakes. But that's not what we're voting for this year.

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Nyrfan2017 t1_isc5vw3 wrote

My biggest think is to I don’t trust any of the politician either side .. and I just get very suspicious when there so much talk of fraud and cheating and both sides are trying to change things with voting. honestly I had more faith in the old machines that you went in pulled the level and it just rolled the counter . Seems like since we got away with those you hear of more issues

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blumpkinmania t1_iscadj7 wrote

There aren’t more issues. There really aren’t any issues. It’s all Republican lies.

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Nyrfan2017 t1_isctcp5 wrote

They both are shady.. remember pre trump everyone said all politicians are shady don’t trust them .. than 2016 came and they turned into sports teams and everyone acted like the dems are the saviors but yet they the same Shady group that’s always been there .. the same people that say they want open boarders but sent heavy armed men into a house in Florida to take a little kid back to Cuba.. they all lie and flip flop on there views depending on the votes they need.. yes the republicans are really bad right now but let’s stop acting like the dems are angels

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blumpkinmania t1_isd0o3j wrote

Did you just say Democrats what open borders? Honestly, you seem like a nice guy so I don’t want to insult you, but that is total, absolute, 100% delusion.

And Clinton returned Elian Gonzales to his father who was back on cuba.

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CT_Real t1_isdz363 wrote

>than 2014 came and they turned into sports teams

Ahhh yes the presidential election of 2014, who could forget!!!

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CT_Real t1_isdz0f2 wrote

Classic sequence of

1.) Make bad take

2.) Get rebutted

3.) Listen man both sides are bad!!! Please don't hound me on my bad take

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imjustasaddad t1_isc6mf8 wrote

Fraud isnt a thing. This has been studied time and time again.

You’re nearly more likely to be killed by a shark while voting than for actual voter fraud to occur.

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf

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CalligrapherDizzy201 t1_isenfe1 wrote

Nobody is voting in the ocean to get killed by a shark. On the other hand, while quite rare, voting fraud does happen.

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imjustasaddad t1_iseqb6f wrote

Im sure you understand what Hyperbole is.

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CalligrapherDizzy201 t1_iseqv1x wrote

I do understand hyperbole. This isn’t it. You used an example that could never happen. Hyperbole would be saying getting hit by a meteor or struck by lightning.

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imjustasaddad t1_iserlxb wrote

“A hyperbolic expression has to be something that is not literally possible and shouldn't be taken literally either!”

https://www.twinkl.com/teaching-wiki/hyperbole

You’re a dork, pick a different hill to die on, arguing figures of speech on your Saturday morning is hilariously sad.

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CalligrapherDizzy201 t1_ises8s9 wrote

hy·per·bo·le /hīˈpərbəlē/ Learn to pronounce noun exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

Seems like you don’t understand hyperbole. Sorry, not sorry.

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imjustasaddad t1_iset3sx wrote

Yes, so the claim “You are nearly more likely to be killed by a shark” is hyperbolic, and not something literal. There is no requirement for likelihood. Congrats, you’ve defended me. Stop being weird.

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AhbabaOooMaoMao t1_isew2md wrote

>Yes cause of fraud .. I know I know that’s a trump thing your gonna say….. I have seen things at a city level that comes down to a lot of incompetencey . But I think will cause huge issues .. like every yeah always seem to hear of an issue we’re oops one poll station had the wrong ballets or ran out of ballots. Also now with early voting there are more times of handling ballots where they can get lost one year the person checking ID they never crossed my name off . I know of an issue where absentees ballots where miss placed.. also I feel with more days there is more chance of if people want to mess around they can . Before trump year after year state or federal level you hear of some issue with the polls . I just feel in general we need to revamp the system . And I don’t think just doing early voting will help

Early voting is a major revamp.

The reason for those problems you describe is that we're trying to cram this massive thing into just 14 hours.

There's no live training. No soft open.

If you spread it out, it doesn't matter if you run out of something or the staff buckles, there's time for trained public employees to address the problem.

For example, right now on election day the Sec State's office is spread so thin, they have to rely on actual conscripted lawyers,deputized over the phone, to administer elections, in a pinch.

If there's a few days the actual lawyers who know about this stuff and who are paid public servants can address inevitable problems. It would be much better for the public.

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Kodiak01 t1_isbryh2 wrote

Me, for one.

On Tuesdays I'm out the door at 5:15am. I don't leave work in MA until 7pm, sometimes later. All it takes is one traffic backup, one accident, one string of red lights, or even being held 5-10min late taking care of a customer and I can't make it to the polls.

The one time I had to vote in person, I sped the whole way and managed to walk in the door of the polling location at 7:58pm.

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CalligrapherDizzy201 t1_isenk8l wrote

Tell your employer you will be late or are leaving early. Employers can’t punish employees for missing time due to voting.

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Kodiak01 t1_iseptjp wrote

It is my normal schedule, and I work out of State. I am the first one in and the last one out on Tuesdays. This is why I cast absentee ballots.

The town clerk's office is open until 7PM on Thursdays. Instead of requesting a ballot by mail, I now show up in person and fill out my ballot on the spot after work that day.

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CalligrapherDizzy201 t1_iseqpn8 wrote

It’s one day a year. It won’t affect your normal schedule at all.

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Kodiak01 t1_isersw3 wrote

Why are you so against people having alternative options when casting their vote?

One has to wonder if you're even old enough to have ever voted for something other than 7th grade class president...

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CalligrapherDizzy201 t1_iseslg2 wrote

I’m not against early voting, there’s nothing wrong with it. My point is employers, like yours, can’t punish employees for missing work time due to voting. I’m old enough to vote for myself as president and have done so since 2012.

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sjsmac t1_isbzptt wrote

Enough. That’s all that matters. Everybody should be able to vote.

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Nyrfan2017 t1_isc2cix wrote

Never said they shouldn’t beable to . Just seems last few years all of a sudden it’s been such a issue one day voting when no one raised a eye brow about it in the past

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sjsmac t1_isc4yxo wrote

Yeah, it’s almost as if one of the two main political parties tried as hard as they could all over the country to make it harder for people to vote.

Weird huh?

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AhbabaOooMaoMao t1_iseuvh9 wrote

Every now and then you sound very reasonable but then you go say things like this.

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