jpr_jpr t1_jdw2g5d wrote
Genuinely curious. What makes it better than the South? Not that I disagree.
GatekeeperTDS t1_jdwdvjl wrote
We stay the fuck out of people's bedrooms, genitals, and uteruses. We don't care who goes into what bathroom to take a shit. We don't ban books, don't care how M&Ms dress, and aren't offended when Disney recasts their characters.
And yes, New Haven style apizza is to die for.
CallMeSkii t1_jdwkjdc wrote
The funny part is those states that love to scream the hatred for big government battle cry are the ones who actually love it. They are the ones enacting all the laws that tread upon people's personal lives.
GatekeeperTDS t1_jdwl2tp wrote
Every accusation they make is a confession.
"The left" doesn't want to control people. "The right" operates in a zero-sum mode where if someone gets something, surely that must mean the "other side" is getting fucked over.
Meanwhile, the culture bullshit is to distract us from the fact that people are hungry and homeless, medical care is a fucking joke, and corporate profits are running rampant.
Rauschenbusch OP t1_jdwkq3n wrote
Well, in addition to u/GatekeeperTDS's pithy list, I'll add my perspective as someone who grew up in Connecticut, went to college in Texas, and now lives in Florida. Although let me say that I recognize the grass is always greener, etc., and also pretty strongly believe that every state/region has positives and negatives.
- There's the way the states are run, especially the recent turn toward culture-war issues above all else, including the economic well-being of their residents. And this isn't new. Texas still hasn't expanded Medicaid despite having a huge number of people who can't afford health insurance. As a parent with two queer kids, this is a problem that has just gotten worse and worse across the region, even in states not run by likelt 2024 presidential candidates. Meanwhile, the governments are so beholden to their market-fundamentalist ideology that they make life more expensive for all but the super-rich by jacking up sales and property taxes to balance the budget rather than introduce progressive income and corporate taxes. Meanwhile, infrastructure falls apart, as evidenced by Florida's failing home insurance market and Texas's inability to keep residents from freezing to death during cold weather.
- And then there's the people. Lots of great humans live in Texas and Florida, and of course part of what makes the leadership so reactionary is their fear of losing power as the populace diversifies and liberalizes. But those who support these politicians are genuinely scary – pickup and gun culture, giant Trump flags (and worse – we lived down the street from someone flying hardcore militia flags), and during COVID, an uncritical embrace of every selfish, individualistic instinct over any effort to care for their community, which fed directly into longtime efforts to undermine public education by underpaying and demonizing teachers, professors, and critical thinking in general, never mind public health and science more generally.
In short, there's something wrong here, and as someone who studies history and religion for a living, I can say that something is a regionwide refusal to reckon with the atrocities it committed for centuries against Black people. Almost all of the ideological obsessions of the region – idolatries, if you're Christian – can be traced back to the patterns of thought that justified slavery and segregation: the irrational suspicion of government; the pervasive, fear-based embrace of guns; the distrust of public education; the obsession with perceived sexual deviance; the nostalgia for a rural "true America" that never existed; the rejection of so-called "elites," which is code for scientists, public health authorities, and university professors; and and of course the stultifying Christian fundamentalism. All of it was incredibly useful when defending slavery from the "atheistic," industrialized North, and then in resisting and eventually outlasting the effort to force them to treat Black people equally during Reconstruction. Even if none of the people currently alive would accept the overt arguments against racial equality that initially spawned these ideologies, they continue to embrace them because doing so is easier than accepting the ugly reality of their cherished traditions.
All regions of the country have to deal with their demons; Connecticut in particular was the site of numerous massacres of Indigenous people, especially the brutal Pequot War. But that particular sin/crime/stain is more or less universal to the entire country. The modern day South is what happens when a region's people collectively decide not to confront their "peculiar institution" for centuries and centuries; for anyone no longer willing to go along with the collective amnesia, and the ideological and political fictions that uphold it, it's an oppressive atmosphere. For those who are anything but cisgender, hetereosexual, white, male, and upper middle class or richer, it is literally oppressive.
GatekeeperTDS t1_jdwmlza wrote
If you have two queer kids, please get out of Florida. I'm a gay man and I will never step foot in that state again.
However small, there is now a nonzero chance that I'll get taken to a death camp if I ever go there.
Rauschenbusch OP t1_jdwn51i wrote
We're leaving this summer, although sadly can't leave the region for a while longer. It is definitely no longer safe here for people who are too different from the imposed and enforced "Christian" norm.
GatekeeperTDS t1_jdwndic wrote
Any step up from Florida is still a step up. Florida and Texas are on my permanent no-go list.
jimgray24 t1_jdxl4g0 wrote
Thank you both for putting into words what I have struggled with for the last 4 years. I just moved back to Connecticut after a 4 year stint in South Carolina. Simply put "There is something wrong here" is absolutely correct and when you are surrounded in it, it is all you see. I felt like I had a target on my face and they knew I wasn't one of them. I was not able to understand or tolerate the way of life and had to leave. I have been "home" for two weeks now and this is the most relaxed and happiest I have felt in years.
jesskamb t1_jdzj75v wrote
This also sums up pretty much exactly my experience in Tennessee for almost 5 years. There’s just something wrong here and it’s DEEP. I’m not in love with the idea of higher taxes and ostensibly more crime, because more people in CT compared to where we are now, but the culture and atmosphere accounts for so much.
mkt853 t1_je044bg wrote
More crime? CT violent and property crime rates are 1.6 and 16.1 per 1000 people respectively compared to 6.8 and 22.8 in TN. Violent crimes in TN are more than quadruple that of CT, with nearly 40% more property crime. CT, despite being mostly urban, is still one of the safest states in the country, and without looking it up, likely safer with less crime than every single state south of the Mason-Dixon.
jesskamb t1_je1sfzd wrote
I mean as far as state statistics go that’s very reassuring! But we’re looking to move from a more rural area to a more urban one so it’s going to be an increase either way. I’m sure there’s crime here but it isn’t much. Unfortunately, Memphis makes up an inordinate amount of the state’s crime statistics and we’re not near there. Anyway, that does all make me feel better about it in general though so I appreciate it!
Dramatic_Cupcake_543 t1_jdwagg6 wrote
Pizza?
senrankagura8 t1_jdymzqk wrote
Take it from someone born and raised in connecticut:nothing
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