vitalvisionary t1_jdhyc5i wrote
Reply to comment by Jackers83 in 'We cannot remain complacent.' ADL reports antisemitic incidents in Connecticut doubled in 2022 by jaydecay123
>This person is clearly acknowledging that there is always some amount of perpetual racism, bigotry etc.
Ok but that wasn't all he said. Taken as a whole it's excusing it as just a byproduct of society. That's an awfully convenient thing for people who don't care about or support racism. Like hearing rape statistics and saying "Oh well, boys will be boys!"
Jackers83 t1_jdhylg8 wrote
It is though. To say there isn’t racism, and prejudices in society is just naive. We can’t make people stop being racist assholes. There is always going to be hate in the world.
vitalvisionary t1_jdhz1gf wrote
That's defeatist, lazy, and no consolation to victims. I suppose you think we shouldn't do more about rape because there's always going to be rape in the world? Why have cops of people are going to commit crimes anyway? Society will never be perfect but we should always strive for a more perfect union. Kinda the point of the whole thing IMO.
Jackers83 t1_jdhzhhm wrote
Ya, I don’t think I said or alluded to anything of that nature whatsoever. You really shouldn’t assume too much, or put words in people’s mouths. It’s not cool.
vitalvisionary t1_jdhzq0u wrote
> We can’t make people stop being racist assholes. There is always going to be hate in the world.
How did I put those words in your mouth? Perhaps you need to work on what you actually mean by that.
Jackers83 t1_jdi09my wrote
Lols. Would you like me to shoot my racist neighbors?? Or maybe I should burn their house down. I’m certain my children will feel better about me being in prison because I solved racial problems injustice. Cmon, what’re we even talking about here??
vitalvisionary t1_jdi1aic wrote
How was I advocating for any of that? There are plenty of nonviolent ways to deal with racism. I even made suggestions here in this post. If those are the only options you think there are to racism than you obviously haven't done much research. Maybe start by reading some of MLK's work. He had a lot of good suggestions.
Jackers83 t1_jdi32ps wrote
Lols. This is absolutely exhausting trying to communicate with you. Have a great day.
Jackers83 t1_jdi3in3 wrote
No, you’re just making the giant assumption that I condone this kind of shit. Which is absolutely ludicrous.
vitalvisionary t1_jdi4axb wrote
Hey man, I'm not the one defending the mollifying of racism, you are. I never said I thought you condone it, but you obviously have some things to learn about how racism works in a society. It's a lot more complicated than just someone hating someone who looks different.
Jackers83 t1_jdi5w2f wrote
“That's defeatist, lazy, and no consolation to victims. I suppose you think we shouldn't do more about rape because there's always going to be rape in the world? Why have cops of people are going to commit crimes anyway? Society will never be perfect but we should always strive for a more perfect union. Kinda the point of the whole thing IMO.” You said this to me.
Ya, again I’d love for you to point out where I mollified anything. Please enlighten us.
vitalvisionary t1_jdi6cxt wrote
Again?
>We can’t make people stop being racist assholes. There is always going to be hate in the world.
This is mollifying racism. You may be right, you may not be. Declaring this true undermines the efforts of being trying to solve the problem. Even if futile, it is a noble sisyphean task.
Jackers83 t1_jdi6js1 wrote
No, no it doesn’t. It means I’m being realistic, not idealistic as well as simplistic. You’re a child If you say otherwise.
vitalvisionary t1_jdi7d9w wrote
And it's not more simplistic to write the problems of the world off as unsolvable? You come off as craven, too afraid of complicated issues and finds ignoring them more convenient. If that's not how you feel you might want to work on how you share your opinion.
Jackers83 t1_jdi7fxp wrote
Lollls. Craven?? I have a feeling you don’t really know what that word means.
vitalvisionary t1_jdi7w23 wrote
I'm quite aware. Notice how I used the phrase "too afraid." Maybe I was being redundant. If you think it means something else I suggest googling it.
Jackers83 t1_jdi7znx wrote
Lolls. I’m still a little unclear how you surmised that I just turn the other cheek to injustices. Now, if you could point that out fir everyone. Thanks
vitalvisionary t1_jdi8mqj wrote
Dude, come on
>We can’t make people stop being racist assholes. There is always going to be hate in the world.
Imagine applying this logic to the Nazis during WWII. Do you see the issue yet?
Jackers83 t1_jdi9324 wrote
Are you kidding me??? It is truly amazing the sheer distance that you stretched to reach this conclusion. I’m honestly impressed by it. Haha, are you a contortionist by any chance?? Omg
vitalvisionary t1_jdi9u48 wrote
Hey how about explaining how this isn't a problematic statement instead of making a silly metaphor about it? Seems like you're trying to distract from explaining yourself beyond a shoulder shrug emoji. If you think bringing up Nazis and WWII isn't relevant in a discussion about antisemitic hate crimes on the rise than I think you're just obtuse.
Jackers83 t1_jdidcgg wrote
I’m sorry but can’t do this. I’m gonna give myself a lobotomy after going back and forth with you.
vitalvisionary t1_jdie4q1 wrote
Sorry man, understanding is hard, change is even harder. Even though I disagree with you, you seem like an alright guy. Maybe you took some things I said too personally but this is a subject I am passionate about and know I can come off forceful. I sincerely wish you well.
Jackers83 t1_jdieve8 wrote
Thank you. Good luck to you.
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