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BobbyRobertson t1_je02rpl wrote

>Researchers said they found that 73 percent of Americans believe the government does not spend their tax dollars wisely. So, they compared the 50 states with three components of state tax burden, including property taxes, individual income taxes, and sales and excise taxes, all as a share of personal income.

So they're leaving out any kind of fee the state charges for something? A yearly registration fee in lots of other states would be roughly equivalent to the property tax charged on a car here. Why not look at all sources of state and local revenue unless you're trying to skew the results to favor fees over taxes?

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tangtang1028 t1_je07d5r wrote

The citizens of CT are a bunch idiots. The governor reported taking in $50 million in 2021 personally. The senator is worth over $100 million. These people have no idea what normal people do. Yet these are people getting voted in? Fucking idiots

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im_intj t1_je0856u wrote

No one say anything negative about taxes please. This sub loves being taxed.

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tangtang1028 t1_je09nxd wrote

Replying to mkt853 (#2,417,010)

CT doesn’t have a high quality of life. Roads are terrible. New Haven, Bridgeport, Waterbury, Hartford high schools all read at the 3rd grade level. Such high quality. With the new policy of letting all criminals run free, violent crime is up dramatically. Most guns crimes in the state are committed by violent REoffenders, but they won’t lock them up for some reason. Drug use is through the roof. The new drug TRANQ is in the streets now. So great. Idiot

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tangtang1028 t1_je0bpmm wrote

Replying to GatekeeperTDS (#2,417,347)

It just shows you how much of an idiot you really are. Just wow. You really are fucking stupid!!!! You really think republicans and democratic are different? Hahahah. It’s one party you clown!!! They bait you idiots in on gender topics, abortion, guns while doing nothing about them just getting you to argue. While they strip about social security and never have their rich friends pay into it. You’re just so stupid. So, go back to stomping about “trans people” are dying lol while real issues are over your head. You stupid tap dancing clown

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[deleted] t1_je0bwos wrote

Replying to im_intj (#2,416,824)

seriously , Cant believe the mindset of some of the posts I see in the sub. Theyll defend it and downvote anyone that doesnt.....

7k a yr just from property taxes on our raised ranch built in the 60s, in the fuckin boonies with practically no town services.... must be paying for the secretaries secretary in the town hall.

Oh yeah $650 a year in taxes for my 26 year old truck with all the rust holes in it from all the overused salt that destroys our water... $480 just to register it.. Just insane.

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[deleted] t1_je0cwhw wrote

Replying to tangtang1028 (#2,416,681)

Love the downvotes. I had family in high level state level politics and the inside trading is ridiculous. Just the stories Id hear growing up...money laundering crooks, almost all of them both sides.

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volanger t1_je0d0kj wrote

Honestly I don't mind taxes so long as they go towards services that help the people

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[deleted] t1_je0de18 wrote

Replying to im_intj (#2,417,658)

Yep. Imo a lot of roads need to go back to dirt in some of the more rural towns. The cost to pave is absolutley insane. Lots of times its not even done correctly or bandaided and ends up costing tax payers big $$ . A lot of DPW directors bandaid shit to make themselves look good.

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mkt853 t1_je0derr wrote

Replying to tangtang1028 (#2,417,138)

No offense, but you sound like my grandpa that sits around watching Fox News all day. The problem for you guys is no one believes your dumb talking points anymore outside of your own little shrinking circle. You just sound.... crazy. Like old man shaking fist at the clouds crazy. Maybe stick your head out the window and yell "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!" Your anecdotes aside, Connecticut and our neighbor to the north have the highest standards of living and quality of life in the country by virtually every metric. You can look at just about any top 10 list, and you'll find the same states in the top 10 and the same states in the bottom 10. That's neither anecdotal nor coincidence.

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tangtang1028 t1_je0ef6l wrote

Replying to GatekeeperTDS (#2,417,549)

Vote in a regular person who wants to make a change because it’s not getting better. But the parties know low intellect foot soldiers will only react to garbage. Just look at your ridiculous comment. Murder LGBTQ people. Lol STFU. That’s ridiculous and solves nothing. It’s rhetoric. A distraction. A magic show. Slight of hand. The parties know this. And will always take full advantage. It’s why tik tok will never go away. It’s not about national security, it’s about getting more people onto the app. More distractions because less and less are watching MSM. They know that’s where people are getting the “news” from now.

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tangtang1028 t1_je0ez05 wrote

Replying to mkt853 (#2,417,799)

Same reason why Hartford, Bridgeport Waterbury are always in there for worst cities even though they barely qualify. They just make the threshold at 100,000. And I’m sure your privileged ass will talk a great game, but would be caught there at 1am.

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tangtang1028 t1_je0ftjz wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,417,712)

CT has the worst debt per resident amongst all 50 states. 3x that of any state. They can’t manage a budget here. They tax the poorest areas. Give the rich a pass and because they are democrats say “women’s right and lqbtq” you idiots continue to vote for them. You’re just idiots.

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essaitchthrowaway3 t1_je0gk1s wrote

Replying to im_intj (#2,416,824)

Obviously you are purposefully trying to be obtuse, but I'll just leave this here:

Just because something isn't called a "tax" that doesn't mean it isn't.

Talked to a friend who lives down South and EVERY goddamn little thing is another nickle-and-dime fee. His property taxes might be lower, but when you include all the other fees that he has to pay, he's no better off than folks in CT.

But looking at the big picture takes a little more time and effort than spewing out a 5 second sound-byte of "TaXeS Is BaD!1!!!!1!!".

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Sonakstyle t1_je0gn40 wrote

Of course. And we keep doing the same thing over and over

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jlevnhv t1_je0gx56 wrote

It has been 3 0 days since this sub posted something about high taxes/cost of living

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2PlenTiful4U t1_je0hf74 wrote

Tangtang1028

I hear ya homie.

These dumb fucking' mules need a voice like yours in here.They never shut the fuck up about their "high quality" everything this state has to offer.This state is an irrelevant, run down shit hole, run by a criminal gang of donkeys that want to keep it just like it i$.

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tangtang1028 t1_je0k06c wrote

Replying to jlevnhv (#2,418,307)

You people and your loyalty to the democrat and Republican Party is astonishing. It’s a disease. No wonder they push liquor, pills, weed onto people. Look how confused you are. Idiot

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AvogadrosMoleSauce t1_je0lhdu wrote

Newsrooms love random things like wallethub; saves them from having to do any work.

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mkt853 t1_je0nyc5 wrote

Replying to WellSeasonedUsername (#2,418,367)

So your proof that all 3.6m CT residents generally don't enjoy a high quality of life is because your road is shit and you pay $7k in taxes and have a house you don't like? That's your entire case? Sorry man that's pretty f*cking weak. Just basic shit like public education, household/median income, access to health care, life expectancy, obesity rates, infant mortality, and on and on CT is at the top or very near the top in just about every basic SoL/QoL category like that. You're over here mad about a pothole on your street when parts of this country are on the level of developing African nations when it comes to just having clean potable water. Beyond the stuff we can control, when you live in CT, you're not at risk of losing all your stuff and having your town burn down from a wildfire, or being leveled by a tornado or washed away in a flood. Some of you whiners need a little fucking perspective because you have no clue how good you have it especially in light of what happened last weekend in the south.

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Knineteen t1_je0qnmq wrote

On top of this, the state has taken in how much completely free casino revenue?

And our finances are still in the toilet.

Great fiscal management. Great voting.

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LordConnecticut t1_je0w7y6 wrote

Replying to whateverusayboi (#2,416,989)

Hmm something isn’t right here… it seems they don’t have a way to properly account for states that don’t levy flat fees. NH is listed as $31, which is absolute bullshit. NH registration is scaled to the value of the car (literally like a property tax). When my fiancé lived there, she paid ~$500 per year for a three year old car valued around $17k. Even her previous car, a ten year old Subaru valued around $8k was costing her $200 a year in registration.

All this to say…they simply did an average and “forgot” many people don’t own cars…

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IndicationOver t1_je1602e wrote

We know this already lemme guess Wallet Hub?

Wallet Hub triggers a lot of people in this subreddit lol

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CTNotPC t1_je18re4 wrote

Why many people cant retire here, why businesses move our of here and why our state is likely doomed in growth.

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CTrandomdude t1_je1cl2b wrote

At this point if you are unaware of this fact your not attached to reality.

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Liito2389 t1_je1f9yv wrote

Highest tax burden but with the least results...

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PhilipLiptonSchrute t1_je1fxyr wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,417,561)

> Oh yeah $650 a year in taxes for my 26 year old truck with all the rust holes in it from all the overused salt that destroys our water... $480 just to register it.. Just insane.

The roads cost what they cost. It doesn't matter what kind of rust bucket you're driving. Whether you're in a 40 y/o POS or in a brand new Model S Plaid, a pothole still costs the state the same to fix.

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FBU2004 t1_je1g6fy wrote

Replying to PhilipLiptonSchrute (#2,424,291)

Totally agree. I’d like to know what things are paid for by taxes in CT that are private expenses in Florida and Mississippi. Public schools in CT are better funded and most schools supplies are provided to students. Florida teachers (a number that keeps getting smaller) ask parents to supply all supplies, even paper towels, dry ease markers, tissues, even toilet paper. Many FL parents have to send their kids to private schools because the local public schools are so bad. The “Florida Tax” is the private expenses that a state with income taxes provides its residents.

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cdreisch t1_je1mb2i wrote

Most other states have local tax’s as well CT and one other state do not. I remember being there when someone I knew from PA we’re filing tax’s for federal, state and local

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Miles_vel_Day t1_je1vzwq wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,417,793)

You think that to avoid paying $7k in taxes (on your house that has probably appreciated by 50-100k in the last 5 years), it would be justifiable to... stop paving roads???? Let me tell you, buddy, ain't no truck lasting 26 years in your unpaved conservative fantasyland.

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Miles_vel_Day t1_je1wnb5 wrote

Yeah, once again, when somebody tells you something like this, review the list of the states with the highest taxes and the states with the lowest taxes, and then consider where you want the state you live in to be on the list.

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CTNotPC t1_je21ncj wrote

Replying to FBU2004 (#2,424,434)

I want as well but come on. Raise ur hand if u can afford a house in a low crime area, standard property taxes?

Edit: i think we are in a state of denial. Taxes make it almost impossible to own. Add insurance, government red tape for small business. CT needs to change

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FBU2004 t1_je238ph wrote

Replying to CTNotPC (#2,428,044)

That’s about supply and demand, not taxes. Miami real estate is insane and unaffordable for most, but taxes are low. What we need in CT is to start building more housing. Too many homes with 2+ acre lots and towns with no industry/commercial activity besides the local supermarket. We need smart development and infrastructure. Housing is unaffordable because we don’t have enough inventory in the areas where the jobs are located. Too many towns that will not approve more housing because “it will change the character”. That’s the whole point. The tiny NE town is unaffordable if nice or an economic backwater otherwise.

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Inthect t1_je25b38 wrote

Alaska awaits. Dress warm!

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Mission_Count5301 t1_je25w6g wrote

No surprise here, BUT, this is a big but:

Car insurance rates: Our annual average rate is $1,553. In Florida, its $3,183, in Lousiana, $2,909, New York, $3,139. You could move to Maine and only pay $941. Source: Bankrate

Home insurance rates: Connecticut $1,244. Florida, $1,981. In tornado alley, Oklahoma, $3,659, The national average is $1,428 for a $250,000 dwelling. Source: Bankrate.

Flood insurance. Many Connecticut residents may be able to get by without flood insurance, but if you need it, we oddly have the second-highest rate in the nation at $1,469. This makes no sense, but.... source: Value Penguin.

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Dank_Bonkripper78_ t1_je2rr8d wrote

Replying to im_intj (#2,416,824)

I just appreciate my taxes being used in ways that actually improve the quality of life in our community. I had a coworker have a baby a few weeks back and the fact that her and the father can bond with their kid while getting supplemental pay through the paid family leave act genuinely makes me smile.

Also, the areas that aren’t taxed are hell holes compared to what we have.

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brookswashere12 t1_je2u5kb wrote

I’m not born and raised in CT. So I’m not biased. But now living in CT. I really enjoy it. Food, our towns school district is really nice.

While I don’t see too much that bothers me aside from a higher property tax and it’s not nothing to break the bank on.

Paying taxes on my car is really annoying. I don’t like that.

Electric is way too high compared to my previous state.

But I feel maybe this “tax” issue is more for corporations.

Lego, the soup company I can’t think of, and I’m sure more that I don’t know to leave CT. While they use the excuse to retain talent is weak but then again idk much of where they moved or moving to taxes are like either.

TLDR; I like CT, don’t like certain taxes.

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Steady_Habits_CT t1_je2xtow wrote

Replying to LordConnecticut (#2,420,975)

You don't have this correct. The NH registration fee drops each year as the car ages. More important, there is no sales tax on cars (or anything else) in NH so you are leaving this benefit out of the numbers.

So while she might have paid $500 to register a car in NH (sounds far too high for a $17k car, but it dependson the originalvalue of the car), if it were a new car the next year that fee would have been about $415, then $333, then $250, then $167, then $83, for a total of $1740 over 6 years! In CT that car would have cost in the first yr $1080 in sales tax plus $200 to $500 in CT car tax depending on town plus the $100 registration fee. So right in the first yr that car cost in CT taxes and fees nearly as much as 6 years of registration fees in CT. Over six years, CT taxes would add another $1000 or more to that cost! And we haven't even factored in the difference in auto insurance rates!

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FBU2004 t1_je2yy83 wrote

Replying to Adventurous_Ad_3415 (#2,432,872)

I’ve lived in Florida and CT. You still pay property taxes in Florida. I can guarantee you that private schools for one child cost way more than the difference in taxes. If you have more than two kids, you’ll pay way more in tuition than you will in taxes in CT.

And then there is the Florida insurance costs.

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LordConnecticut t1_je2zl59 wrote

Replying to Steady_Habits_CT (#2,434,073)

Correct, property taxes on cars also drop as the car ages. This is true of any fee or tax tied to something of diminishing value. The NH registration fee is tied to the value of the car the same as a tax.

Your decline in the fee is too extreme, it doesn’t drop that quickly unless the vehicle in question is a luxury vehicle purchased new, which depreciates very fast. Your logic is suggesting a $17k car is worth next to nothing after 6 years, which is certainly not the case.

So the cost of registration is similar to the cost of registration in CT (every two years) and the property tax every year.

We’re not talking about sales tax, that’s entirely separate and obviously a state without a sales tax will be the cheaper proposition. The article is strictly about registration costs and mentions only a tiny fraction of the actual cost in NH.

Lastly, insurance is cheaper in most of CT save for the panhandle. (Southern) NH is too close to Boston to be very cheap, and thus has a higher population density then much of CT.

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Bla_Bla_Blanket t1_je2zlqs wrote

CT May have high taxes but it also has some of the best benefits amongst all states. These taxes are an indirect consequence of us being at the top in education, healthcare and other welfare benefits.

All those states that have low taxes offer their citizens little or no help and benefits. If you want to have a quality education that is on par with our public school education you’ll have to pay for private school in those states.

If you don’t like it here there are plenty of low tax options. Find a state that suits your needs and just move there instead.

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Adventurous_Ad_3415 t1_je3063u wrote

Replying to FBU2004 (#2,434,274)

Not fun of FL,but if you say it comparable FL still looks more preferable in most cases(not for me, but for most). Don’t know why everybody here know only 2 states(CT and FL). VA, NC for example. Schools pretty comparable if you want compare only schools. All other much better

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katiejim t1_je3530n wrote

Replying to Adventurous_Ad_3415 (#2,434,497)

Not sure where you’re getting that NC has quality public schools. They’re ranked in the lower half of states. CT has some of the smallest class sizes in the nation, which is huge boon for teachers and students, and the most spending per student. Virginia seems fine based on a cursory search (though I wonder how areas like Arlington compare to places like Danville), but to claim NC is on par with us is bananas.

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Steady_Habits_CT t1_je3537v wrote

Lots of those posting on this sub appear to be living in their parents' basement and have likely never held a job with significant income in their lives. For any household making $100,000 per year, which is modestly above the median CT household income, the most significant taxes, other than Federal, are CT income tax and property tax. In addition, sales tax and the car tax are significant.

All this talk of other fees is merely a diversion from the costs that impact families.

Depending on the state, income tax and/or property tax tend to be materially lower than CT. Alas, CT continues to drive spending higher without concern for the impact on families.

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katiejim t1_je363ey wrote

Replying to brookswashere12 (#2,433,357)

95% of the people complaining have never lived elsewhere. I swore I’d never move back here because it wasn’t an exciting state to me as a teen, but here I am. It’s so much better here than the several other states I’ve lived in. No contest. Quality of life is leaps and bounds better here. Very happy to be raising a family here vs. anywhere else I’ve lived.

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Steady_Habits_CT t1_je386lj wrote

Replying to LordConnecticut (#2,434,406)

You remain confused and very unfamiliar with the process for calculating the registration fee for a car in NH.

  1. You started this by claiming one must look at all the fees. Now you want to exclude sales tax from the analysis. That is flawed when doing a TCO. This thread is about all taxes, and sales tax is a major cost of ownership in any state with a sales tax!
  2. I didn't go into the full detail because it is complex. The NH rate drops 3 points per thousand per year. So my calcs are correct.
  3. Your statement about depreciation ignores that many in CT saw increases in their car tax over the last 2 yrs because of increases of used car prices! The value of each of our cars increased last yr in the CT tax calculation relative to 2021! And I know lots of others with similar experiences
  4. The NH rate is applied to the original MSRP, and the depreciation rate is fixed. That is far fairer than CT's arbitrary approach to attempt a (poor) measure of mkt value. Thanks to the weird used car mkt, most cars went up in value over the last 2 yrs, whereas NH's approach resulted in ongoing declines as the vehicle aged.
  5. We get it, you think CT should be made to look better than NH, but the only way to do that is to attempt to fudge the numbers. Fact is that NH's cost of registration for a car is far lower than CT's, all things considered including the sales tax one must pay in CT on every new or used car purchase.

I have no idea what your basis is for the claims on insurance. The majority of CT residents are in dense parts of southwestern CT and the middle of the state. I am aware of no evidence that is lower cost than southern NH. Plus, auto insurance is not a tax, and one has many choices in selecting an insurer. Certainly theft rates are better in NH.

Edit: Based on this data, NH auto insurance costs are materially below CT: https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/states/#rates

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oscar-scout t1_je3vwdm wrote

It's also #50 in economic development. Keep up the backwards voting CT! Worst state to do business in.

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Impossible_Watch7154 t1_je4b60r wrote

And you look at our quality of life and educational system, health care- low crime.

I suggest you move to a low tax state- and suffer,

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scottyf_ct t1_je4ip03 wrote

Having one of the best public K-12 systems in the country is expensive

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LordConnecticut t1_je4piq4 wrote

Replying to Steady_Habits_CT (#2,436,236)

You’re confused. The article is about tax burden. I responded to someone who posted an article about car registration fees did you read it? That does not include sales tax.

Do you have a source for the “NH rate drops three points”? That doesn’t make sense because there are two parts the the NH reg, state and town, and the town portion can vary, so it’s impossible to be fixed that way.

Yes CT property taxes on vehicles are based on the NADA guide which is market based, however it’s 70% of that value.

The NH rate is not a fixed decline. You must be looking at the state portion. Town portions are tied to mill rate which uses a value tied to the market.

I say insurance is cheaper because I’ve had two cars registered in both states lol. That article is interesting but again misguided. I’m paying the cost of “minimum” coverage in CT for full coverage and two cars. So again, their methodology must fail to split between good and bad drivers, age, etc. it may be that bad drivers are more expensive in CT, for example, which will drive up the data.

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Steady_Habits_CT t1_je4rl51 wrote

Replying to LordConnecticut (#2,445,032)

You are silly. The car tax in CT varies by municipality. In CT property tax rates and property valuations vary by municipality. Somehow you are able to ignore that but suggest NH costs cannot be analyzed due to a municipal component.

Finally, you are arguing over one small element of tax burden. Taxation of cars is no worse in NH than CT. But CT has a very substantial income and sales tax whereas NH has neither. There is no question that tax burden is materially higher in CT, unless one has little or no income.

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LordConnecticut t1_je4t1iu wrote

Replying to Steady_Habits_CT (#2,445,461)

Who says I’m informing that? Of course it does. I’m saying the article has clearly poorly interpreted the NH data because no one, out of the dozen or so people I know in NH, have every paid as little as it states, even for a 20 year old beater. That’s the point of this discussion that you stepped into, you answered me.

CT car registration is a fixed fee bi-annually. My point is noting that three people including my fiancé, who have moved from NH to CT, now pay less for their car registration in CT then in NH, even if you recognise that NH registration is essentially equivalent to our car property tax and add ours into that calculation. Yes it varies by town in both states. My mill rate is currently 32 which is upper middle I believe, (and car property rates are now capped here).

You’re trying to turn this into a conversation about overall tax burden, of which CT’s is obviously higher, but that’s not what I was answering.

Anecdotally, in case you’re curious, CT generally still comes out ahead (why I know several people that moved from NH) despite the increased tax burden, because housing costs are generally lower now, and incomes are much higher. For example, my fiancé makes 20k more as an RN in CT vs NH, so while about 5-7k of that goes to taxes that NH does not have, she’s still better off. I would have to take about a 30k pay cut in my field to move to NH, so obviously saving the much smaller amount in taxes is not worth it.

Now working in MA/Boston and living in NH is a different story, although you have to pay MA income tax, but that’s what so many in southern NH do that; because salary is much higher.

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Pancakes4Dayzz t1_je56zag wrote

Replying to volanger (#2,417,730)

I mean, when I got really sick and a permanent disability diagnosis all those taxes helped a lot. Same thing with the husky D coverage. I’d probably be homeless in a wheelchair if I lived in a couple southern states. CT really took care of me when i got sick.

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Steady_Habits_CT t1_je7owdx wrote

Replying to IndicationOver (#2,462,471)

In a 2 adult HH in which both work, it would mean an income of $50,000 each. The average HH income in CT is about $85,000, so $100,000 is only a little above average.

My point is that anyone near or above average is most impacted by income and property taxes. However, too many comments focused on DMV fees and other items that might be significant for someone without a job or home, but not significant for those who bear the burden of the taxes that impact CT residents.

Hope that helps.

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