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Years ago when Digg came over, tbh. Read the sidebar. I think the mission statement may cover it, but so many people here just use the sub to recommend brands they kinda like rather than limiting the sub to items that are truly designed for a lifetime of ownership.

I can't even begin to talk about how a lifetime guarantee doesn't have anything to do with the idea behind wanting a buy it for life item. It's a cheat code around the concept that reeks of wasteful consumerism and true product value.

I'm new to this sub. What's survivor's bias?

I don’t really know what that is

It’s a general term but on this sub it means look at this appliance from the 50’s that still works, while 99% of the same item have broken. Doesn’t make it a buy it for life item.

Imagine a company made 5000 cast iron pans. In that 5000,many had flaws but a few were near perfect and didn't break over the next 100 years. Only 5 of them still exist unbroken, but no one thinks about the broken ones. So when someone shows off their 100 year old pan, they say that new stuff isn't made to last 100 years anymore. However the truth is that 99.9% of those pans weren't made to last 100 years, they just got lucky with the one that survived.

That's survivorship bias.

Ah that makes sense now. Thanks

Thanks for the easy to understand explanation. That helps me, and I hope it helps others.

It's the same argument that goes "the Victorians built all their buildings to look really pretty and last 200 years". No, they built some of their buildings that way. All the crappy and ugly Victorian buildings have long since fallen down or been demolished.

They don’t make r/BuyItForLife like they used to

I mean I just stared r/youcanbuyitforlife which is a similar sub for high quality items that can be purchased right now but so far it’s only got thirty members

It’s just another term used by “those” kind of people to bitch about something on the internet.

Lol '"those" kind of people' makes absolutely zero sense outside of an argumentative context. What could that POSSIBLY infer, especially for a rather common and documented phenomenon that's been a phrase for a while.

Seems like you're in here being angry just to be angry, you good?

Yes they do, you just have to look harder.

Ok, I'll sub haha

It's just really annoying when this sub had a lot of like, good brands to buy from (Solovair, Red Wings for a while, Pendleton, Patagonia, etc,.) and featured more the "overly-engineered" products, less the "my XYZ has been around since 1795, look!" Posts.

I appreciate a better place, still love this place but after coming back a few years later... Oof.

Thanks for the the sub now if you post something I’d be truly grateful lol

I was just being silly, I apologize.

The new buyitforlife is junk, you should just thrift the old one.

Excellent idea this. I just really hope it doesn’t become a darn tough/ cast iron/ redwing circle jerk like this place kind of has.

Is it the sub or the reality of today’s intentional short life cycle goods?

Also subbed. Good stuff!

>I was just being silly, I apologize.

I don't buy that apology... for life.

...sorry I couldn't resist.

Disagree somewhat, I think any company that has an unconditional guarantee for replacements likely also has a product that stands up to alot of abuse. Otherwise, profits would wane, and they wouldn't be able to stay in business. Thinking of Darntough, arcteryx, and others that I have used for years now and really enjoy.

Doubting the new brands that are trying to create bifl products is part of the reason this sub has turned into a vintage show and tell.

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Any sub over 1m users goes to shit.

Top post is a Martha Stewart pan made in China. 🤔

Ah...the old circle jerk by people who think they know what this sub should be. This happens every two weeks here, where people who have never taken a statistics course apply their Dunning–Kruger knowledge and dismiss everything as survivorship bias sans data. And further lament that since there is no ebay, etsy, facebook marketplace, thrift stores, goodwill or yard sales that one cannot buy survivorship bias products so why speak to them?

The sub that better matches this is you putting your product in the search engine and taking notes with pen and paper. Unless you are searching for someone super esoteric like a wallpaper seam roller, the product has likely been spoken of 30 times a year for 5 years.

Lol maybe my favorite Reddit comment I have read.

How do you know it's Survivor Bias?

I mean if you just want to talk about what you think are the best brands, then just start a sub for something like r/RedwingBootsLovers or something along those lines.

The thing is, how would you know something is a Buy It For Life, if you only had it a month?

I bought 3 pairs of Red Wings, one lasted me 6 months, till the souls wore out, one has lasted me 3 years and going, one got hit by a chainsaw, and while the steel toe protected my foot, the fact that I cut the front of the boot all up and it would no longer stop the elements that well, it lasted me 2 weeks till I needed to replace them.

Just like I have an old Black-n-Decker Drill that is, around 30 years old. Take care of it, and they can last you forever, I have burned through 2 DeWalt's in the last 10 years. Now, I would say the DeWalt was an over all better quality drill, smoother, stronger, drill, and I used them in the commercial sense, the BnD was my fathers little home drill.

What is the metric here, if you just want confirmation bias, like "Oh this product that I think is the best, is the best" and can't handle it when this is challenged, because some other products have lasted longer, so you write them off as survivor bias, maybe this is not the sub for you in a overall sense anyway.

I wish you well on some other sub.

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Fair. But you said it’s for high quality items.

AngryForLife

Is survivorship not a critical metric into whether something is BIFL?

🏅as best as I can do on my budget

Went to the sub, first post was a cast iron lol

Yes, but so many times it is a item that gets used a few times a year. Just about anything will be buy it for life if not used.

Do we expect the lifespan of Chinese iron to be less than American iron?

Maybe youcanbiyitforlife can also lean more towards stuf that's more affordable. Just because a $600 blanket is available to be purchased doesn't mean that I can buy it.

As someone who live in a very ugly impossible to heat house from the victorian era, I feel heard. It hasn't fallen down yet, but man it's on its way.

I’m sorry are we really arguing over whether a Martha Stewart CI pan is an example of high quality and BIFL? Come on. I’m just saying, that’s a pretty inauspicious start for the sub.

The pre-Digg days were amazing. Before Digg Fark was pretty good.

Paraphrasing, most antique cars are Ford Model A. Not because they were built so well or a great value, but rather because more were sold than any other. That’s why I will always recommend the Ford Model A as BIFL.

Believe it or not a high quality item can occasionally be made in china. I’ve got years of experience with this pan and it’s done just as well as my four lodge pans.

Yeah but most of the times, the items posted weren't used enough. I've got jeans I've worn twice a year which are 30 years old (passed down to me by others). I wouldn't call them BIFL because they're barely used.

I'd praise more affordable jeans I've had for 5-6 years which have been worn few times a week and frequently washed and dried in the dryer and are still in great state.

“Vintage show and tell” totally captures the feeling of this sub now.

Only if most of the produced items commonly survive. If one stove happened to be produced on a golden day 80 years ago when all forces aligned to make it indestructible, but the rest of the line has since blown up, highlighting that one good one isn't useful.

I’m not denying that high quality products can be made in China. I’m saying anyone who knows cookware will tell you that is not one of those items.

Survivor bias gives it too much credit. This is more like r/lookatwhatifoundingrandmascloset.

Warrantees are to sell products. Lifetime warrantees give the perception of durability, and sell products.

Good point. It’s like how people say that about old cars, while neglecting the fact that a lot of old cars clunked out pretty quickly.

> so many people here just use the sub to recommend brands they kinda like rather than limiting the sub to items that are truly designed for a lifetime of ownership.

I may be way off here, but with TODAY'S products, meaning products currently being produced, MOST of them haven't been produced long enough for people to truly KNOW whether or not they're BIFL.

And even for products that have been produced for a long time, and are still being produced, how do we as normal consumers know whether or not the product materials or manufacturing process has been recently changed?

I have a desktop radio that I've had and used daily for a REALLY LONG time. But it's no longer available for new purchase. So, so far, it's BIFL for ME, but nobody else can buy one new, so what good would it be for me to post?

Sorry for the pessimism. I just have a hard time knowing what's REALLY BIFL for products that are currently available for new purchase.

And not even a good one.

I think the whole point with old cars is you can repair them. A car from the 60s is repairable by most garage mechanics. A car from today isn't.

The only buy it for life cars today are probably Rolls Royce & Ferrari, cost enough to be fixed regardless of the problem while they actively value their old cars.

OK grandpa, now let's get you back to bed.

Reminds me of r/fitness

-Ron Wharton

A lot of new people joined the sub. A lot of people that wanted all the upsides of buying BIFL but none of the downsides (cost and doing research). I think I might just make an actually BIFL sub where you can only post stuff that can be bought currently and is made in the Western world(which includes Australia and New Zealand)/Japan/South Korea/Taiwan.

Absolutely top notch brands like Chicago comb company, Ashland leather, Smith's all natural, Hanks belts, Ernest Wright, Henry Hoover, Seki, Suwada, Karve shaving co., RGM, TiSurvival etc.

And where anything less is not allowed.

The product bias is definitely present here. I had posted my two pairs of RSQ (Tilly’s brand) jeans I’ve had for 7 years now that have withstood almost weekly washes and near daily wear.

I got downvoted because it’s “a cheap brand” and “not real jeans that’ll last a lifetime”

I can guarantee you a pure titanium comb is not gonna break.

I mean, how rigorously can we test if something is buy-it-for-life without personal anecdote? Survivor’s bias is always going to be a factor because we just don’t have every other sample to compare it to. So what if someone shows off a thing that‘s been working longer than projected, if it’s buy-it-for-life for them, I’d say it still counts. I’ve got a diesel f250 from 30 years ago still going strong but many others are in the junkyard because they weren’t taken care of, but my Ford is still buy-it-for-life because the engine has been running for longer than I’ve been alive without issue and aside from a little rust, the rest of the truck is in good shape. I’m sure there’s more in the scrapyard than on the road because these were fleet vehicles and work trucks, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t lifetime quality when cared for right.

I knew a guy that had a pacemaker in his cheats, that is definitely BIFL. Even if you allow for survivor bias.

Some jackass the other day posted about how they replaced all of their glassware with yeti mugs. I haven't gotten any good tips from this place in a while.

It's a combination. Plus, look at what I found in my grandma's closet.

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You can still get a lot of quality stuff, it is just harder to find and more expensive.

And you need to make sure your info is still up to date.

Buying "brand" no longer works, the stuff you want is not really advertised so you need to look for it.

Buying "commercial grade" often is a really good solution.
It does not look fancy or "trendy" but that stuff is made to be abused.
It is gonna last forever in a residential home. Pretty much anything that goes into a kitchen for example.
You get really kickass pans that cost half of your fancy cast iron that are way more sturdy.
Or just a regular wisk, collander, container, you name it.
Get a few polycarbonate combro and you gonna not look at tupperware ever again.
Same for ovens, planchas, burners... whatever. Solid stainless steel is not gonna break.

Also, replacement lids are still gonna be around in 20 years easy, that stuff is standardized.

Dont buy an overpriced dyson, buy the ugly vaccum housekeeping kicks around with steel toes and uses to clean 30 rooms each day.

Nothing anyone can explain here with do a better job than this image.

Yes, survivorship of the total population of the production run matters when determining the likelihood that any particular item chosen at random survives. So if 50K out of 100k of an item produced 50 years ago are still around and functional, that would tell you something about the products longevity. However, if you just have examples of items that have last 50 years, but aren’t considering or don’t know, how many were initially produced you can’t determine what the probability of survivorship is.

For me the metric this sub should be striving to promote is engineering and materials.

The absolute best example is r/antiwork. Literally not even anti work anymore.

Unfortunately there are 2 cases that often happen when someone posts an item here

• Post something old that has survived
  • Can't find it anymore
  • Not built the same anymore
  • Possible survivorship bias
  • How old is too old?
• Post something that is new
  • People claim it hasn't been around long enough to be properly tested
  • People claim the company hasn't been proven
  • It is against the sub rules

It's tough to decide whether an item really does fit in this sub which is why someone made another subreddit a while ago I believe.

But there isn't necessarily anything wrong with posting old possibly bifl items, but yeah sometimes people do post too much, and sometimes they don't check to see if others have survived.

For example I wouldn't have learned about how good old washer/dryers were compared to new ones if it weren't for people posting about their grandma's kenmore that's been around for longer than I've been alive. That seems like a fair bifl post. You can still get used washer/dryers from the old days. Often people just throw them out. With a couple part replacements you can probably get it running and lasting longer (for cheaper) than if you bought a new machine.

Something that might be a bad post is "look at grandmas fridge from 1940 that's still running". Not only is it gonna be impossible to find that fridge, but it's also an inferior product compared to many fridges today due to efficiency (which is why you can't find extras on the market). But the subreddit doesn't say anything about that being against the rules. It was a product that was "durable, practical, proven and made-to-last".

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eh.. not going to lie, but, that does not work, until you wear them and put them to use so seeing old, used, stuff, should be what we expect here.

The goal of course should be, the best products are still made. Always a pity when you see a good quality product that no longer gets made.

But at the end of the day, if you are going tell me something is going to last, I should rightfully expect you to have one that lasted. I think that should be, a benchmark at least.

Just to use an example, I've bought a pair of $150 Caterpillar Boots that only lasted as long as my $50 Brahma's I normally buy from Walmart. Overall, the Caterpillar was a slightly better boot, a bit more comfortable and felt tougher, but they simply did not last.

Legit, I have burned through dozens of Brahma boots, I know about how long they will last me, and, harsh truth is, most other boots, don't outlast them under the same working conditions.

So I would be tossing money at a product that really will not give me a better ROI. Now I am not about to go run around here pissing all over them, or praising Brahma, they are boots, they last about as long as I expect my boots to last, so, nothing amazing, but nothing that bad either. I would not put either of them up as BIFL, but at the same time, they do their job, and do it well enough that there is no reason for me to say they won't do the job you buy them for. They are boots, and they do their job as boots.

But if you look at this site, everyone would tell you, that Redwings and Caterpillar should outlast cheaper boots, I suppose you could say, I just got a bad pair of boots from Caterpillar, which, you know, could be the be case, but doesn't that defeat the idea of it being BIFL, if I can get bad ones, and that just ends up being Survivor Bias by the people that swear by them?

So really, I like seeing or at the very least, hearing someone tell me they had something that endured, that they put them to work, and they held up, and then say "This is a good product"

I really think that should be the baseline of this site.

Again, always a pity when a good product ceases to exist, shame really when that happens.

What happened there?

It went to shit

-Ron Wharton

r/GoodValue is one of my favorites. Their goal isn't BIFL, but I often can't afford BIFL versions of things, so I get something good for the money. Just kinda tangential to r/BuyItForLife

But hey look at my indestructible cast iron pan that has surprising not destructed, since it is literally a solid hunk of metal

Subbed!

Can we get a sub where people can complain about how Reddit used to be, and not fkn post it in BIFL?

I gratefully accept!

Same experience I have. I have a Boston Acoustics Recepter clock radio which must be close to 20 years old. It's the best sounding music device of its size I've ever heard, and a remarkably excellent radio, but it can only be bought used. Those 20 years are meaningless if 20 years are already used up the moment you buy it.

The opposite is true of the Aiyima A08 Pro. It has amazingly sound quality, but people might reject it out of hand because it's made in China, even though it uses American chips. Worse for this subreddit is it's only a year or so old. So despite the high quality of the device, there is no telling if it has longevity despite its high apparent quality.

And as for production changes over time, Red Wing has come out with cheaper footwear. There are implicit trade offs for the lower price and more immediate comfort of materials like foam, versus more leather for more longevity at greater cost.

R/joinitforlife

I think the problem is that Reddit has progressively gone to shot in the past 4-5 years.

My Bombas socks that were gifted to me four years ago still feel like new! I can’t wear Hanes socks anymore. Too scratchy.

It's not just about how long something lasts, but how good it is. The concept of quality has been completely lost on this subreddit. Your grandmother's 40 year old microwave might technically still work, but it's a massive piece of shit compared to a modern one.

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plenty of shit products have a good warranty just to compete. Arc'teryx and Darntough are not good products because they have a warranty. They are good products with a good warranty. The difference is everything.

I'm amazed at how many people upvotes such a simplistic opinion. Advertising works far too well, y'all believe it.

No cap

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You're right, but it's crazy to think that an unconditional warranty has NO bearing on product quality, everyone would offer unconditional warranties if so.

Literally just people who complain ab the dumbest shit & random “i dont agree with this” posts. It’s so annoying. Anyone who disagrees gets like 300+ downvotes. I’m all for saying fuck the company, but when the company says “you can’t spend 3 hours in the bathroom please” idk if you can reply with “how unfair! Gotta be against worker rights”

I would totally join that in a heartbeat. It was the main thing I was looking for in this sub, to be able to ask what are good brands for XYZ would be great. It would also feel good to contribute too!

Agree, it gets old seeing people post 1980 alarm clocks, razors that are literally just a piece of metal, or appliances from 1950. Same with all the reposts about Stanley mugs, socks, and the like. The most interesting part about this sub is the discussion about what to look for for potential bifl items and overall build quality.

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I get the critisism. But how much do we actually know about theese products, if we dont look at the things that has survived many years. Some of the things that is endorsed on here has some really mixed reviews quality wise.

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This is valid. I think the idea is to recognize what trends make for a lasting product and make your best educated guess. For instance, my Ford ranger has a cast iron block and cast iron head. The valves aren't interfering, so if I break a timing belt my engine won't grenade. It is easily serviceable by myself and of the shelf parts are still available. My truck shares a lot in common with trucks of the 80's meaning there has been over 30 years of continuous support for it.

As far as vehicles go, I'd say it qualifies as bifl for now. I would post my truck, make my case and let y'all decide for yourself if it qualifies to you.

That's sort of my 2cents though.

I actually thought this was a funny response haha.

This is what people (even on here, sometimes!) often say in response to the top comment’s sentiment. “They don’t make them like they used to” … “Yes they do, you just have to look harder/not buy the shittiest brand at Walmart/not just look at the front page”

Swing and a miss perhaps lol

If you do create a sub let us know mate, I think lots of people would join.

I'm sorry but this is an anecdote, the original commenter said that warranties were ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY a marketing ploy, and I am saying only that in some cases the warranty is offered because the company believes the product will last and will back that up. I have had my otterbox replaced because of dog damage, which is the only thing that managed to damage this case in the 4 years I have had it.

I would hate to work where you worked, and I dont think it represents the purchasing behaviour of this sub. The WHOLE POINT of this sub is to sus out the products you can buy today that stand up to wear and scrutiny. A good starting point is products with unconditional warranty, then the court of public opinion can also weigh in.

What do you mean by survivor's bias?

>redwing circle jerk

my new favourite band

I think acknowledging that most cast iron is BIFL, and that branding maybe doesn't matter very much, sets a good tone for the sub. What if someone really likes the styling of that specific pan? I'm not going to pretend it is going to break just because the name behind the pan is Martha Stewart lol

Tbf it's Anti work not "reasonable requests only" or something. If anything they should double down ironically

That’s a very generously high number

That’s fair! I mean it is literally that. Can’t knock it. But does annoy me. But entertains me as well so I haven’t left lol.

You must be Italian.

That's actually hilarious. I've used the same cups my grandparents have and cups I've bought for 50¢ ten years ago. cups have never been a "is it BIFL?" item to me. Don't fucking freeze them or drop them often and they'll last forever.

Hell I think I have those "limited edition" movie theater cups going back to The Phantom Menace, that still work.

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Dude all I'm saying is that it CAN indicate quality, that's it.

Over-engineered, high quality materials, and a good reputation from the company . . ? This isn't rocket science it's going "oh the thin jackets being sold at Walmart are terrible quality, here's a jacket that uses actual high grade leather or waxed canvas from a company with great reviews and the stitching is 2-4x more than standard".

Like it is possible to tell a quality item from a poor item

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You're the only one having meaningless emotions in these comments chief lol. Neither of us have done correlational studies on warranties and quality/durability so this is bound to go on forever, I'm down if you're down ;)

You say overly engineered and high quality shouldn't be a metric then give examples of poorly engineered low quality products. Plus, boots last a long fucking time if you take care of them. Are you rotating your pairs and taking care of the leather? You can't wear a boot several days in a row and expect it to last, just rotating through even one other pair and making sure the other pair can dry out properly after use can extend the life dramatically in many cases.

Imagine being angry but also wrong when trying to insult someone. That's low-key hilarious, do you do shows nationwide or are you just starting your comedy career?

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Exactly. I expect, with all things, to spend 4x as much, but receive 10x the reliability and quality. Buying brands is always stupid, look at red wing they were hyped in here for years and now the quality is terrible because they couldn't keep up with demands and pricing.

Meanwhile some leather worker and cobbler in fucking Nevada or something, are putting out $500 boots that will last your life if you properly care for them, but without people talking about them they won't get any business.

Same thing happened in a few clothing specific subs where once it got bigger and the folks who put in hours of research were hidden by low-effort content being 100x more prevalent, they stopped and the quality just got worse.

100 items are made 80 of them break within five years 10 more within ten years 8 more within twenty years

Now there are two out of one hundred that are still working today, the person who owns one posts about how high quality and long lasting it is. It isn't, it's just lasted longer.

Survivors bias generally correlates to like, old people saying "back in my day nobody died of XYZ" because they didn't know anyone who died of it, that meant it didn't exist" etc,.

But it generally reders to, in this context, something made that just happened to last forever but it was an outlier, being praised as if it was the standard.

I noticed something on here a bit ago, a link to a place in the UK that curated BIFL items with a lifetime warranty. There was another in the states I can't remember but want to use, hopefully someone will comment

I think a great way to improve this sub would be for people to: a) get a grip when it comes to lifespan vs useage, ie understanding that if it only gets used once every two years and it still works great it might not actually be bifl, it might just be stored correctly b) realise that care and storage are 50% of why things last, ie, stop tumble drying your clothes, and c) letting go of the boring knee jerk anti-China sentiment. there are loads of skilled workers in Asia & there are sweatshops producing clothes in the USA! you might be more likely to get a better quality product if it’s made in the US, but that’s just because statistically more things are made in China! It doesn’t mean that China = automatically bad.

First Point: I have a spatula that I bought at Walmart, just a generic pressed metal blade, with a plastic handle, so damn cheap it does not even have a brand or logo on it, paid something like 5 dollars for it, bought it at a summer kick off sale, had to glue the handle back on a few times over the years, but at 5 years old, of daily use, still holds up great, gonna use it again in about half an hour to make dinner.

Second Point: As for the boots, lets get something clear, not only can I wear the same boots all week straight, I do. Now I am not about to get into a pissing contest on boots with you, you wear your boots your way, I'll wear mine, my way. Regardless of that factor, I expect if I buy a higher quality boot, they should last longer then a lower quality pair under the same situation and usage, if they do not, what's the point of saying they are better, when, they aren't for what I need.

Anyway, might add my spatula to this site, just to brag on it, might piss you off, but I think it can still be bought at Walmart, during the summer when they are putting out all the cheap grilling stuff.

Apparently the stick you keep up your ass must be buy it for life with how hard you're clenching your ass over a joke

My show is worldwide and one day you be 2% as gifted as I with the written word. Stay in school.

These fallout shelters have a lifetime* guarantee!

More than a million subscribers

My redwings boots are still going strong 4 years later. But the brand offers a bunch of styles with varying levels of sustainability or quality. Certain styles might be bifl right? Like foam or squishy rubber soles aren't going to last even if the brand is well liked. Trying to understand if you mean redwings suck as a whole because some styles are garbage?

Got outsourced to China.

I sure do hope that Chicago comb company has good mustache combs, I mean is there really any life to buy it for without a good mustache comb?

Do it! I would join that in a flash.

I don't even mind the "grandma's fridge" posts but I would appreciate a more focused sub, too.

Could it be that there really aren't any products that are truly buy it for life anymore and so when people see something last they ignore the possibility of survivor bias

So post something better? Idk

Redwing are perfectly serviceable footwear, so are Caterpillar, Wolverine, and Brahma.

My feelings are thus when it comes to BIFL, If you are going to claim something is BIFL, you should be able to back that up, ideally with the thing you think has longevity, actually having Longevity under your care.

Seems reasonable No?

Gotcha, thanks.

That's why you made so many mistakes in that sentence, right? Lmao you're clearly schizzo or something, get help my guy.

You're pissed off I told you literal basic fucking boot care lmao. You need help and a checked ego, lol. I'm not going to keep arguing with someone who is literally mentally unwell.

Depends who made the pan, a rare Lodge is definately worth posting.

Electric mixers from the 50s covered in plastic is a piece of garbage though, don't care if it's the original robot coup.

Because that whole sub would either be mass produced items that most people already own (like the Martha Stewart pan).

The reason I bought my Lodge pan is because I appreciate the hard working Americans that put their time and effort to develop a good product.

I don't want to send my money to the CCP

And you’re gatekeeping.

How about ignoring the stuff you don’t like? There is still meaningful content here.

“The beauty of this here do-hickey, is that it only has one moving part”

r/antiwork is for burned out people. r/workreform is for people still in the fight.

1. This isn't gatekeeping.

2. Cause you're upsetti spaghetti.

I’ve posted things that I’ve had for a while but which are relatively new and told that they don’t fit.

I guess this is secretly r/vintage just wearing a mask

I lost faith in the mods on this sub when they refused to stop the vintage bullshit.

This is what happened to Digg right as Reddit came in and swooped up the usership.

I wish I had been around to know more about Digg. I was in highschool when everything crashed and thought reddit was just another 4chan type thing that all the weird kids used. Didn't help having the basement dwellers ask if you liked mudkips or knew when the narwhal baconed.

Me, being the weirder/drug kid, used Galaxy Social Network on TOR lmao, and only started using reddit around 2015-2018, when some dudes I did videos with got to the front page a few times.

What was Digg actually like? Did I really miss anything?

>MOST of them haven't been produced long enough for people to truly KNOW whether or not they're BIFL

This is often repeated here, but it's actually nonsense that flatly contradicts the sub's obsession with "planned obsolescence." The very concept of planned obsolescence implies that it's possible to know how long an object will last on average given the choice of certain materials and construction techniques.

So which is it? Either we can have reasonable knowledge of how long objects will last without waiting around and watching how long it takes them to fail, or else the whole idea that products are designed to fail, like folks on this sub so often charge, is a spurious complaint.

They most certainly do. Either number 4 or number 2.

In this economy?

Please diagram the sentence in question and show me teh English.

I mean, any quality counts if you don't plan on living very long too...

^^^don't ^^^tell ^^^my ^^^therapist ^^^I ^^^said ^^^that

>Dont buy an overpriced dyson, buy the ugly vaccum housekeeping kicks around with steel toes and uses to clean 30 rooms each day.

I just got a small shop vac for my home vacuum. Sucks up anything, cleaning is easy, doesn't break, no fancy parts.

Sure it's loud but if noise levels are a concern when vacuum shopping you have too much money to be on this sub.

"The best laid plans..."

Nah bro. You wear your boots your way, I'll wear them mine, if you think that it being mentally unwell, you have issues.

Which might be why you also have issues with this site, I wish you well somewhere else.

you're just proving my point with every reply

Maybe the name of the sub is kind of the problem - it’s dramatic and gets attention but in the end is kind of vague and also hyperbole, which means that there are a huge range of possible interpretations about what it means. So internal fighting starts almost immediately and in the end whatever direction the sub (or movement) goes, most people will be pissed off that it’s going off the rails.

Exactly like “Abolish the police” in 2020. Wow, so dramatic! What does abolish really mean though? Queue 2+ years of infighting while every reasonable person who would have supported the movement walks away.

Your Point Being: That you don't understand that, if you make the claim that something is BIFL, that you should, at the very least, have a working example of it's longevity under your care?

Bro you think the government is using us for fucking batteries, you're just an old argumentative loser who wants to cherry pick his replies to ignore the actual information while being upset over something never said.

It's sad, and it's pathetic. You call yourself a prepper but don't know basic boot care!? You use hostile language then act like the boots are what I'm calling out to begin with!?

I take solace in the fact you clearly are either on the spectrum or schizo-afflicted. I hope you're healthy one day, but you are a scourge that doesn't deserve to exist. You're a fucking walking loot drop in an actual SHTF scenario and your unhinged mentality and attitude mean you'd just be wasted and scaved in a real scenario lmao.

You genuinely need help, but I'm positive you're on a government list. Knowing you are factually mentally unwell and not me just being a dickhead makes me genuinely sad because I wasted, and am continuing with this response TO WASTE, effort on someone who never has or will have a stable thought in their life. You make me sad, congratulations.

Wow, look at that drooling, insane, all over the place personal attack, over... boot care,

You, have issues.

I was talking about your post, OP.

Such angst, Tony Macaroni!

this sub has been the same for years. with people complaining exactly like you are

There is nothing stopping you from posting and asking for product recommendations in this sub. A good portion of the front page of the sub is exactly that. The vintage item posts make the feed but if you actually visit the sub there is a lot of product discussion.

ya need to let boots rest and dry out for them to last. improperly cared for yeah, any boot will get destroyed quickly by daily wear

That isn't gatekeeping. Do you, like, understand the word?

You regularly post to /conspiracy and /prepper. You continue to act like this is over boot care.

You're the insane one. I'm just going to block you and hope you finally get one some meds for the schizophrenia and paranoia. Maybe if SHTF I'll find you and turn you into a loot drop too<3

Funny how the post is just genuinely asking for advice on a better sub, and somehow your ego still got hurt enough to respond like this.

Imagine taking emotional damage over someone not exactly liking a fucking reddit sub. Gives off hard "if you don't like America just leave" vibes.

Anyway, have fun with the hurt ego lmao. Sub used to be better but I guess you had to actually be here when it was young.

honestly i've been internet shopping so hard for the last 3-4 years i don't even have anything left to buy or money to boot lol