Good god, that second bag you linked does things to me...

Man if I had a healthy wealthy level of disposable income lol.

Oh well, I've got a thrifted everki, a thrifted tom bihn, and a $40 nylon/canvas molle bag that's expandable that will probably last forever. Great for long trips, or less long trips, but a bit heavy. I also recently picked up a Trek backpack that I THOUGHT was one of those waterbladder ones but apparently is just a nice backpack that's got a mesh suspension frame so it's not heating up your back all day. Also kind of heavy. Neat tho.

I'd probably still keep a few of these even with something like the hulmeco linked, but dammit if I wouldn't NEED to, or care if they got destroyed or anything. They'd just become the beaters lol. It would also be cool to be able to leave things for a son or grandson if this economy ever unfucks itself.