I have these no-shows and they're the only ones i've ever owned that I don't actively hate. the silicone no-slip thing is a winner. they're thinner than your average athletic sock, but they make tons of other varieties. I haven't had any issues with them stretching out or getting holes but I don't walk around barefoot in them. they've held up great. I don't go through that many socks tbh, but I went on a quest for better ones and ended up with these. ankle socks--I don't wear them, sorry. mine are all short or tall wool ones. otherwise i'm barefoot or sock-less.