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[deleted] t1_j6pa2e5 wrote

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[deleted] t1_j6pal9p wrote

Okay but how about this for a crazy idea: you earn a higher percentage of the product of your labour with less going to your bosses/stakeholders? And maybe you and your fellow labourers also get a greater say in how the workplace is organised?

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Educational_Share790 t1_j6pb0bf wrote

Sounds like you should just start your own business.

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[deleted] t1_j6pb57a wrote

And who's to say I don't run my own business and work for myself?

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Educational_Share790 t1_j6pbfqt wrote

Because a business owner wouldn't suggest what you just did.

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Deaf_Witch t1_j6pdh55 wrote

Plenty of business owners have done just that, including Henry Ford.

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Educational_Share790 t1_j6penk6 wrote

Ford Motor long term debt for the quarter ending September 30, 2022 was $84.279B, a 13.34% decline year-over-year.

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Deaf_Witch t1_j6petl7 wrote

Good for you. You learned how to copy and paste.

Now do you care to explain why that has fuck all to do with what I said?

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[deleted] t1_j6pbxwa wrote

I'd recommend googling "cooperative". There are plenty of them around the world.

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WhiskyEchoTango t1_j6pafs4 wrote

So fuck the poor? Good reason

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Its_Me_Rae t1_j6pam0d wrote

Why are they entitled to the money he worked for?

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WhiskyEchoTango t1_j6pb7bw wrote

The myth that there are millions of people who prefer to be on welfare when they're capable of working has been around since the Reagan administration. Real welfare reform would taper benefits as people's earnings increased. Instead, to they cut off before people can be self sustaining, and conferences don't want to raise the minimum wage to make working for a living exceed the value of benefits. A permanent underclass is required, and oh yeah, let's marginalize people who don't fit the white heteronormative narrative.

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Its_Me_Rae t1_j6pd08p wrote

Raising minimum wage would make everything more expensive by increasing a businesses costs. Then people on minimum wage still wouldn't be able to afford everything they wanted. It would be really difficult for small businesses.

Minimum wages shouldn't be a comfortable career. It should be used as a stepping stone. Gain experience and some marketable job skills so you can find better pay elsewhere.

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MaggieMae68 t1_j6pjkle wrote

Minimum wage was meant to be a living wage. Here's FDR's inaugural speech about minimum wage (bolding added by me):

"In my Inaugural, I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages, I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living. Throughout industry, the change from starvation wages and starvation employment to living wages and sustained employment can, in large part, be made by an industrial covenant to which all employers shall subscribe."

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WhiskyEchoTango t1_j6pfc11 wrote

It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living. Franklin D. Roosevelt

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WhiskyEchoTango t1_j6pffwd wrote

And the ceo's pay going from $30M annually to $47M hear no visible effect of process. Lol

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Its_Me_Rae t1_j6pgarq wrote

And for every one of those that did, you can list one that did the opposite. Tim Cook of Apple cut his salary by 40% this year. Not a great argument.

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[deleted] t1_j6pea3v wrote

My auntie is disabled and can't work. She lives in a piece of shit trailer that she is proud of. Without government assistance she would be on the street. I don't see it as entitlement but rather helping the less fortunate.

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