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gothyxbby t1_j99t4h2 wrote on February 20, 2023 at 10:03 AM

Reply to comment by Trietero in Naked Dude (what they want), me, digital, 2023 by TIH99

I wasn’t referring to weight, I was referring to the mainstream beauty standard that can only be achieved by the average woman with heavy dieting, workouts, and plastic surgery.

Trietero t1_j99tf5x wrote on February 20, 2023 at 10:07 AM

No. The mainstream beauty standard is healthy. Not anorexic or super fit. It doesn't take heavy dieting, workouts and plastic surgery for the average woman to maintain a healthy weight more than it does for a man to obtain this weight. Really all this takes (for the average person) is being mindful of what you eat and the amount of exercise any person should do for themselves. Not "hitting the gym"

gothyxbby t1_j9a37qg wrote on February 20, 2023 at 12:17 PM

That’s simply not true. The mainstream beauty standard for women is ridiculously high, and it’s disingenuous to pretend that it’s not. Women don’t look like Kylie Jenner without diet, exercise, and loads of plastic stuffed into them. “Healthy” might be your personal preference, but that’s not the beauty standard, that’s average.

Trietero t1_j9a9x9y wrote on February 20, 2023 at 1:26 PM

If you're going purely off of what sells the best for TV as the beauty standard than you're certainly confused somewhere because often times women that look like kylie jenner aren't the models used for this sub that I'm talking about. They're generally with a small but existent belly, thicker hips and legs and medium or large breasts. I've never seem a woman that looks like kylie jenner here, and while that isn't to say it doesn't happen, it's certainly not the usual post that is being complained about for beauty standards or false proportions. It's generally just a healthy beautiful woman that someone takes issue with and calls the OP an objectifying piece of shit. If we're talking about unrealistic standards on TV however i can agree with you there but it's certainly no better or worse with men who take steroids and dont leave the gym for 6 months to get fit for a role.

Regardless you just tried to derail the point i was making with a point about beauty standards on a completely separate platform that has no weight in this conversation. As far as I've seen, if its a beautiful woman with symmetrical breasts that isn't plus sized, there's always a woman in the comments calling out patriarchal injustice of this "fake woman" when often times there is a model behind it.

gothyxbby t1_j9adbpx wrote on February 20, 2023 at 1:56 PM

Firstly, using the word model in this context is confusing, a better word would be reference.

You’re basing your argument off of your personal experience and what you’ve seen in this sub, and I’m basing it off of mine. I’ve never seen that happen in this sub when it was just a normal everyday woman in the artwork (including on works that display the proportions you listed). What I certainly have seen is an egregious amount of artwork that depicts bodies like Kylie Jenner’s (in some cases even worse and more dramatized than hers) while done in a realistic art style.

I have no problem with women pointing out that proportions like that aren’t natural. There’s nothing wrong with drawing any body type, but when one is trying to capture realism, addressing the fact that natural human anatomy does not look like that can be constructive criticism. Not only that, but it reminds women that their bodies don’t have to look like that.